: Want to buy but...
CuriousC 05-05-2008, 11:39 PM I am worried about steering issues, leaks, and certain electrical/traction control issues some Aura's been having (See Saturnfans.com). It wouldn't be a big deal if the problems were fixed quickly but some people seem to be taking their Aura's to the dealer multiple times without the problem being solved. I am just worried since the Aura is nearly mechanically the same as the Malibu. Are these issued being solved with 2008 Aura's/Malibu's? Were these issues rare and only existed on early models?
While I was here I wanted to get peoples impression about the 4 cylinder vs. the 6 cylinder. I was strongly considering getting a 4 cylinder but I have an old 4 cylinder Accord which struggles to get up hills. Just wanted to see what people thought of the 4 cylinder Malibu as far as performance goes. People using the 6 cylinder I would like to hear your fuel economy.
I am interested in getting a 2009 early next year to replace my Accord. Thanks for all your input.
Chris
08MalibuLeaser 05-06-2008, 06:03 AM I am loving the 4 cylander but have a few minor issues - first and second gear need to be tweeked a bit, seems like it shifts either too late into 2nd for my liking, and yes, large hills do put a little strain on the engine until the next shift kicks in - other than a few minor issues the gas milage and the performance of this engine has been stellar!
CuriousC 05-06-2008, 11:50 AM I am loving the 4 cylander but have a few minor issues - first and second gear need to be tweeked a bit, seems like it shifts either too late into 2nd for my liking, and yes, large hills do put a little strain on the engine until the next shift kicks in - other than a few minor issues the gas milage and the performance of this engine has been stellar!
Yea thats why I would want to lean towards the V6 engine, what do people have to say about the V6's fuel economy?
BuckyFan 05-06-2008, 12:41 PM Yea thats why I would want to lean towards the V6 engine, what do people have to say about the V6's fuel economy?
I'm at 24.2MPG right now with mixed driving. Car only has 185 miles on it.
I looooooooooooooove this car. I drove the 4 cylinder, then I drove the 6. Once you drive the 6, you can't go back to the four. The extra power is so nice on the highway for passing.
CuriousC 05-06-2008, 01:07 PM I'm at 24.2MPG right now with mixed driving. Car only has 185 miles on it.
I looooooooooooooove this car. I drove the 4 cylinder, then I drove the 6. Once you drive the 6, you can't go back to the four. The extra power is so nice on the highway for passing.
Thats great, I have mostly highway driving where I am so maybe it can get even better. Now my only concern is with certain issues that might arise with this car since its related to the Aura. I am sure most of these issues were on 2007 models and since it was the first year for that car they didn't work all the bugs out.
I just don't want to buy the car, put a few thousand miles on it, and have it in and out of a the repair shop for some issue they can't figure out and solve. If it was a one time issue where the dealer solved it at no cost to me that would be fine, however.
NJMalibuman 05-06-2008, 02:20 PM Well seeing the the Aura has been out for a year and a half already. They have probably worked the bugs out of that car making the bugs on the 08 bu less. You are always going to have certain little problems with any car thats just how cars are, but if you do buy one it comes with the 100,000mile 5 year warrenty so any problems that do aquire well more then likely be covered under the warrenty.
plgtx 05-06-2008, 02:31 PM I can let you know that I'm coming from over 10 years of V6 cars. I now have a Malibu with the 4 cylinder, and wonder why I thought I "needed" V6's. Don't get me wrong, V6's mean more passing power, but the Ecotec in the Malibu still has plenty of passing power for normal situations. I feel that mine is more powerful on the highway than in the city...and the I mode on the transmission helps for quicker downshifts.
As far as reliability, I had a 2003 Accord that had poor welds, had leaks, a jerky transmisssion, and faulty rotors in my 2 1/2 years and 45,000 miles of ownership (Odometer was faulty as well). Since then, I've had 2 domestic cars, a Ford Fusion and the Malibu. Other than a few rattles, they were rock solid.
Now, every car that is in it's 1st model year of a major change is going to have "teething" problems, and it's just the luck of the draw with that. But, I think the Malibu will be fine as far as issues, and if there are, I'm sure they will get handled quickly. Chevy wants this Malibu to succeed, so they are making sure it is built well.
Hope this helps your decision!
CuriousC 05-06-2008, 03:17 PM Well seeing the the Aura has been out for a year and a half already. They have probably worked the bugs out of that car making the bugs on the 08 bu less. You are always going to have certain little problems with any car thats just how cars are, but if you do buy one it comes with the 100,000mile 5 year warrenty so any problems that do aquire well more then likely be covered under the warrenty.
Yea all the cars I have dealed with had problems, they are machines not perfect. I am aware of the warranty and I am glad to have it I am just worried if I do have an issue they won't be able to solve it on the first try. Maybe not at all.
I can let you know that I'm coming from over 10 years of V6 cars. I now have a Malibu with the 4 cylinder, and wonder why I thought I "needed" V6's. Don't get me wrong, V6's mean more passing power, but the Ecotec in the Malibu still has plenty of passing power for normal situations. I feel that mine is more powerful on the highway than in the city...and the I mode on the transmission helps for quicker downshifts.
As far as reliability, I had a 2003 Accord that had poor welds, had leaks, a jerky transmisssion, and faulty rotors in my 2 1/2 years and 45,000 miles of ownership (Odometer was faulty as well). Since then, I've had 2 domestic cars, a Ford Fusion and the Malibu. Other than a few rattles, they were rock solid.
Now, every car that is in it's 1st model year of a major change is going to have "teething" problems, and it's just the luck of the draw with that. But, I think the Malibu will be fine as far as issues, and if there are, I'm sure they will get handled quickly. Chevy wants this Malibu to succeed, so they are making sure it is built well.
Hope this helps your decision!
Yea but I can tell you stories about my 4 cylinder Accord (Its a 94 BTW). Have 3 people and their luggage in it, it’s a slug. I drove it up some serious hills in West Virginia, barely moved. It’s also fairly hilly where I live in Pennsylvania, to go up minor hills you have to gun it just to make it. Great fuel economy, but the engine is anemic. I plan on taking the Malibu on long trips when I go on vacation, I want something that can handle such conditions.
If I get the 4 cylinder it would be the upcoming LTZ with 4 cylinder/6 speed auto tranny. It’s supposed to improve the fuel economy by 2 MPG and make a few tenths of a second faster. With rising fuel cost I will have to drive both the 6 cylinder and 4 cylinder model and see what will work for me. I don't want another anemic engine, but I don't want a gas hog either. Its going to be a hard decision.
I am not making a pun against this car because it’s made by GM, if I thought this car was going to have terrible reliability I wouldn't even consider this car. My Accord has had issues also but not as severe like you. I have 93k miles on my Accord and I never any issues that prevented me from driving the car safely.
However, less major things have gone wrong on this car that has costed us. Topping the list would be the A/C which we spend over $3k since the year 2000 to keep it running. Just a month ago I had to give it a new refrigerant charge since mysteriously all the refrigerant in the system was gone. Funny these issues happened after a recall related to the A/C.
Our ABS went twice on this car also, another $1,000. Also the fuel gauge never worked properly on this Accord, another thing we had to fix. This car didn't come with a standard Alarm System, the dealer installed the box in a place where it was exposed to water, another $250. These prices I gave you from a non Honda mechanic, if it was the dealer I would have been bankrupt now. This guy was also kind to me and didn't charge me much for the repairs. Mind you other things have gone bad on this car but I don’t remember them all.
The reason I just didn’t get rid of the car was because I expect thing like this to happen over a cars lifetime, but all these issues happened between the 50k mile mark to the present. From the time I bought the car to the 50k mile mark the only thing I ever did on this car was the recommended maintenance the book required.
I know if I bought the Malibu things would break but if it happens at 1000 miles, even 20000 miles that’s way too soon. Minor things the dealer can quickly fix is acceptable but I would be extremely disappointed if I had these hydraulic steering issues that the Aura has that early in its life.
What you said has made me much more comfortable with this car, and I thank you for that. Also how is your Fusion? Its one of the other car I was considering. I am also going to check out the Mercury Sable since its so big and roomy, been on the forums people from 2005 on seem to be happy (Called Montego until 2007).
NJMalibuman 05-06-2008, 04:27 PM Well another thing you have to consider is that the engine in general has come a lomg way since 1994. Just look at the V6 in the early 90s that was considered a small engine, now manufactures have found ways to get awesome power out of the V6 and now the engine is considered a mid to larger engine. This is also happening to the 4 bangers a 4cyl in 1994 is nothing compared to the current 4cyl and the ecotec produces pretty good power. I have also heard the the 4 cyl in the new malibus drives like a smaller v6 engine and pulls the weight of the car fine, and thats the 2.4 ecotec doing that. Now if you look back ten years ago they had a 2.4 liter 4cyl and they put it in the those current Malibus and it was barely strong enough to pull the car with peope in it probably like your 1994. So just by taking those examples into consideration engines have come a long way and there only going to get better.
I hope that wasn't to confusing for you LOL!
CuriousC 05-06-2008, 10:57 PM Well another thing you have to consider is that the engine in general has come a lomg way since 1994. Just look at the V6 in the early 90s that was considered a small engine, now manufactures have found ways to get awesome power out of the V6 and now the engine is considered a mid to larger engine. This is also happening to the 4 bangers a 4cyl in 1994 is nothing compared to the current 4cyl and the ecotec produces pretty good power. I have also heard the the 4 cyl in the new malibus drives like a smaller v6 engine and pulls the weight of the car fine, and thats the 2.4 ecotec doing that. Now if you look back ten years ago they had a 2.4 liter 4cyl and they put it in the those current Malibus and it was barely strong enough to pull the car with peope in it probably like your 1994. So just by taking those examples into consideration engines have come a long way and there only going to get better.
I hope that wasn't to confusing for you LOL!
Your logic makes sense and I understand. However, I am willing to bet the Malibu weight's more than my Accord. The Malibu only has another 25 HP more than my car so I am worried the performance will be the same. In fact my Accord is the size of the modern Civic, thats why Honda made the Fit. So its a fairly small car. I am willing to try the 4 cylinder, but I still have doubts.
jedijome 05-06-2008, 11:06 PM test drive the car.
call your dealer and ask them if you could have an extended test drive over a weekend or something. get a 4cylinder version and see how you like it. drive it back to back with your accord and see what you think. probably the best way to put your fears to rest.
CuriousC 05-06-2008, 11:25 PM test drive the car.
call your dealer and ask them if you could have an extended test drive over a weekend or something. get a 4cylinder version and see how you like it. drive it back to back with your accord and see what you think. probably the best way to put your fears to rest.
I didn't even know such a test drive existed, thanks for the tip I will have to ask.
the biz 05-07-2008, 06:47 AM Yea all the cars I have dealed with had problems, they are machines not perfect. I am aware of the warranty and I am glad to have it I am just worried if I do have an issue they won't be able to solve it on the first try. Maybe not at all.
Yea but I can tell you stories about my 4 cylinder Accord (Its a 94 BTW). Have 3 people and their luggage in it, it’s a slug. I drove it up some serious hills in West Virginia, barely moved. It’s also fairly hilly where I live in Pennsylvania, to go up minor hills you have to gun it just to make it. Great fuel economy, but the engine is anemic. I plan on taking the Malibu on long trips when I go on vacation, I want something that can handle such conditions.
If I get the 4 cylinder it would be the upcoming LTZ with 4 cylinder/6 speed auto tranny. It’s supposed to improve the fuel economy by 2 MPG and make a few tenths of a second faster. With rising fuel cost I will have to drive both the 6 cylinder and 4 cylinder model and see what will work for me. I don't want another anemic engine, but I don't want a gas hog either. Its going to be a hard decision.
I am not making a pun against this car because it’s made by GM, if I thought this car was going to have terrible reliability I wouldn't even consider this car. My Accord has had issues also but not as severe like you. I have 93k miles on my Accord and I never any issues that prevented me from driving the car safely.
However, less major things have gone wrong on this car that has costed us. Topping the list would be the A/C which we spend over $3k since the year 2000 to keep it running. Just a month ago I had to give it a new refrigerant charge since mysteriously all the refrigerant in the system was gone. Funny these issues happened after a recall related to the A/C.
Our ABS went twice on this car also, another $1,000. Also the fuel gauge never worked properly on this Accord, another thing we had to fix. This car didn't come with a standard Alarm System, the dealer installed the box in a place where it was exposed to water, another $250. These prices I gave you from a non Honda mechanic, if it was the dealer I would have been bankrupt now. This guy was also kind to me and didn't charge me much for the repairs. Mind you other things have gone bad on this car but I don’t remember them all.
The reason I just didn’t get rid of the car was because I expect thing like this to happen over a cars lifetime, but all these issues happened between the 50k mile mark to the present. From the time I bought the car to the 50k mile mark the only thing I ever did on this car was the recommended maintenance the book required.
I know if I bought the Malibu things would break but if it happens at 1000 miles, even 20000 miles that’s way too soon. Minor things the dealer can quickly fix is acceptable but I would be extremely disappointed if I had these hydraulic steering issues that the Aura has that early in its life.
What you said has made me much more comfortable with this car, and I thank you for that. Also how is your Fusion? Its one of the other car I was considering. I am also going to check out the Mercury Sable since its so big and roomy, been on the forums people from 2005 on seem to be happy (Called Montego until 2007).
It's funny, I tend to buy into the hype about japanese cars being more reliable and better quality and I drive a 2002 Stratus Coupe (RT) with about 80,000 Miles and I haven't had any problems. I am also looking at buying a Malibu and ironically will not buy another chrylser even though mine has been perfectly fine. Although, now that I am writing this my car probably won't start when I go to leave work.
I am still waiting on the 6 speed auto for the 4cyl, bluetooth, and the new remote 2way starter before I pull the trigger. My only other wish and what may keep me from purchasing a malibu is that I would like to have AWD. I live in upstate NY and tend to have pretty harsh winters and would like the piece of mind that an AWD car could give me.
plgtx 05-07-2008, 07:20 AM What you said has made me much more comfortable with this car, and I thank you for that. Also how is your Fusion? Its one of the other car I was considering. I am also going to check out the Mercury Sable since its so big and roomy, been on the forums people from 2005 on seem to be happy (Called Montego until 2007).
I actually traded my Fusion for the Malibu. It was a hard decision, but with the price of gas steady going up, I didn't see the need for a V6 anymore. However, my Fusion was the 1st "American" car I bought, and it was more reliable and handled better than my previous foreign vehicles.
I really think you can't go wrong with either 4 or 6. I think the best value would probably be the 2LT (I'm addicted to the Ultralux seats!)
byeuboy 05-07-2008, 07:40 AM Rest assured CuriousC, the development of the 4 cylinder ecotech is far advanced and has been engineered to fit this GM car better than any engine of it's size. I just bought the 08' Malibu and did extensive reading and research on this car. I couldn't believe how many articles by JD Powers, Kelly Blue Book, NADA, Edmunds, Car and Driver, Motor trend, and on and on, that I found that really liked this car with the 4 cylinder. Yes, I'd like to have more power cause there's nothing better than lots Detroit steel at your toes, but I opted for fuel mileage this time. The 169 hp eco engine is amazingly smooth, quiet, clean, has plenty of power for this car (size, weight, drag) and what amazed me, comes pretty much standard with all the safety fetaures you would want your family to have. 5 star impact ratings, low insurance rates, some of the best gas mileage out there for a 4 door sedan, and it's just a good looking car.
I've bought nothing but Chevy for decades. I really didn't like the looks of the Impala and the HHR, cobalt, and Monte's (which is what I traded in) are just either too small or not my style. When this Malibu came around, I was more than intrested. Like I said, I did my homework, studied, read the forums, test drove, priced and negotiated with my dealer for a few days then reached in a grabbed the steering wheel and never looked back. This is an awesome car. You won't be disappointed. If you want muscle and power, just dive in to the corvette cause THAT'S as good as it ever gets. Let us know what you decide, but what ever version of the Malibu you purchase, you won't be sorry.
salgeek 05-07-2008, 07:49 AM ...what do people have to say about the V6's fuel economy?
I'm getting 17mpg +/- 1mpg. with city only driving. I might add that I enjoy using the V6 to it's potential.
What really sold me was the sound of the 6 over the 4 in the cabin at 3/4 quarter throttle +.
I really enjoyed "stuffing" a Saab 9.3 2.0L turbo the other day.
mpoczobut 05-07-2008, 07:56 AM My commute to work is 50% city, 50% highway and I am averaging 19.5 mpg with under 1000k miles on the odometer. I did take a long highway trip and averaged 25.5 mpg.
NOTE: I do attempt to short shift to compensate for those times that my right foot gets heavy ;-) I do love the V6!
MiracleMalibu 05-07-2008, 08:58 AM I have taken 2 trips and I have the 4 cyl. The first trip I drove through the Blue Ridge Parkway from Afton VA to Humpback rocks and there are some grades that are fairly steep but the 4 did just great!
On the interstate with both trips I got 32 mpg but combined with city driving I average 27.3.
I traded a 05 Dakota with a V8 for this that averaged 16 mpg and although I dont have the power that I had with the Dakota I wouldn't want to go back.
fantech 05-07-2008, 09:19 AM With 6000 miles on my V6 LTZ now my fuel economy I'm averaging around 25 mpg with a 70hiway/30city mix of driving. Don't forget the V6 has the hydraulic steering assist instead of the electric steering assist which has been a source of steering problems for GM.
USA1fan 05-07-2008, 09:51 AM Mostly highway (~95%, 4% rural 2 lane, <1% light-to-light stuff), almost 4000 miles so far on my LTZ V6. The area around here is fairly mountainous, with many hills and one steep section of interstate on my daily drive (~5 miles long). So far I've seen economy between just over 25 and just over 30 (going higher as weather warms up, but the 25.x was when I was driving by the 'break-in' guidelines, staying off the interstates, more stop and go, less constant / cruise use, etc.). The tall sixth gear really aids the V6 to return good economy when cruising the interstate. Also note that I tend to keep to the speed limit (65 or less on my workaday trip).
Forgot to mention- I'm originally from the eastern panhandle of WV, and have made trips through the area of PA / WV to visit my folks, so I understand the road conditions you are probably talking about. The grades were probably just a bit steeper than what I see here, and I still downshift to fifth (or let the car hunt back and forth a LOT) on the local section of steep grade I see daily here in NC. I'd expect the four speed 2.4L to stay in third on the same grade, and the newer 6 speed in fifth which is a 1:1 ratio on the V6, dunno about the 2.4L tranny. I do know that the sixth is just a bit too high for the whole grade, while fifth seems to be a bit low (meaning I can pass anyone easily up the hill in fifth, or hold sixth using the manual and maybe just creep over the top at ~45mph). Where you're talking about, fifth would surely be a must, especially with passengers or cargo.
08MalibuLeaser 05-07-2008, 06:22 PM I do miss my V6 in my previous car - Pontiac G6 - but I think in the long run (gas prices / milage, etc.) I'll be more than satisfied with the 4...hill driving could use a bit of an upgrade in the shifting department, but there is plenty of juice for passing and accelerating when needed on the highway and around town, etc. Let me ask the V6 owners - how do the paddle shifters rate in comparisson with traditional clutch driven systems?
CuriousC 05-07-2008, 06:24 PM It's funny, I tend to buy into the hype about japanese cars being more reliable and better quality and I drive a 2002 Stratus Coupe (RT) with about 80,000 Miles and I haven't had any problems. I am also looking at buying a Malibu and ironically will not buy another chrylser even though mine has been perfectly fine. Although, now that I am writing this my car probably won't start when I go to leave work.
I am still waiting on the 6 speed auto for the 4cyl, bluetooth, and the new remote 2way starter before I pull the trigger. My only other wish and what may keep me from purchasing a malibu is that I would like to have AWD. I live in upstate NY and tend to have pretty harsh winters and would like the piece of mind that an AWD car could give me.
The Honda overall was a good car reliability wise, but in my opinion it doesn't live up to the hype. As you can see from my previous post it had plenty of things break down on it. If the Malibu can last as well as my Accord I will be very happy. I don't blame you with Chrysler, when I was shopping for my last vehicle I considered the Pacifica, 300C, and Magnum but at the time I didn't trust Chrysler and still don't. They are well behind and I hope they get their act together like Ford and GM has.
I really wanted AWD on the Malibu also, however they won't offer AWD on this vehicle until it moves to Epsilon II which is in 2011 or 2012. I am still thinking about AWD, I need the mobility in the winter but I am afraid my fuel economy will be too low. Though when I shop for vehicles I will be checking out the Mercury Sable since it has AWD and some other features the Malibu doesn't. If I buy the Sable it will cost me fuel economy compared to the 4 cylinder Malibu.
CuriousC 05-07-2008, 06:31 PM I actually traded my Fusion for the Malibu. It was a hard decision, but with the price of gas steady going up, I didn't see the need for a V6 anymore. However, my Fusion was the 1st "American" car I bought, and it was more reliable and handled better than my previous foreign vehicles.
I really think you can't go wrong with either 4 or 6. I think the best value would probably be the 2LT (I'm addicted to the Ultralux seats!)
Overall I like the Fusion. I been on the Fusion forums and overall people are very happy with it. Barely anyone had any major issues with the car. However, I want folding mirror's, and Stability control. The Fusion doesn't have this so its at the end of my list right now. Plus I really hate that antenna on the roof, I prefer it in the glass. Looks better.
To tell you the truth if GM didn't offer the 4 cylinder in the LTZ trim I wouldn't of even considered the 4 cylinder engine. I fell in love with the two tone leather interior.
CuriousC 05-07-2008, 06:42 PM Rest assured CuriousC, the development of the 4 cylinder ecotech is far advanced and has been engineered to fit this GM car better than any engine of it's size. I just bought the 08' Malibu and did extensive reading and research on this car. I couldn't believe how many articles by JD Powers, Kelly Blue Book, NADA, Edmunds, Car and Driver, Motor trend, and on and on, that I found that really liked this car with the 4 cylinder. Yes, I'd like to have more power cause there's nothing better than lots Detroit steel at your toes, but I opted for fuel mileage this time. The 169 hp eco engine is amazingly smooth, quiet, clean, has plenty of power for this car (size, weight, drag) and what amazed me, comes pretty much standard with all the safety fetaures you would want your family to have. 5 star impact ratings, low insurance rates, some of the best gas mileage out there for a 4 door sedan, and it's just a good looking car.
I've bought nothing but Chevy for decades. I really didn't like the looks of the Impala and the HHR, cobalt, and Monte's (which is what I traded in) are just either too small or not my style. When this Malibu came around, I was more than intrested. Like I said, I did my homework, studied, read the forums, test drove, priced and negotiated with my dealer for a few days then reached in a grabbed the steering wheel and never looked back. This is an awesome car. You won't be disappointed. If you want muscle and power, just dive in to the corvette cause THAT'S as good as it ever gets. Let us know what you decide, but what ever version of the Malibu you purchase, you won't be sorry.
I am surprised so many people are impressed with this engine. I seriously didn't think this engine could make enough power to move this car properly. Have you ever driven your 4 cylinder Malibu through hilly terrain with a full load of people and their luggage? How did it perform? The 4 cylinder has electric steering right? I heard on the last generation Malibu the steering had no feel to it, has that changed?
CuriousC 05-07-2008, 06:48 PM I'm getting 17mpg +/- 1mpg. with city only driving. I might add that I enjoy using the V6 to it's potential.
What really sold me was the sound of the 6 over the 4 in the cabin at 3/4 quarter throttle +.
I really enjoyed "stuffing" a Saab 9.3 2.0L turbo the other day.
I didn't expect great fuel mileage for the city. I don't live in a city but sometimes I drive in traffic and the loss in fuel economy is great with a V6 engine. I can live with the highway fuel economy of 26 MPG but I wanted better city fuel economy.
CuriousC 05-07-2008, 07:01 PM My commute to work is 50% city, 50% highway and I am averaging 19.5 mpg with under 1000k miles on the odometer. I did take a long highway trip and averaged 25.5 mpg.
NOTE: I do attempt to short shift to compensate for those times that my right foot gets heavy ;-) I do love the V6!
Yea now thats closer to the fuel economy I would want from the V6.
I have taken 2 trips and I have the 4 cyl. The first trip I drove through the Blue Ridge Parkway from Afton VA to Humpback rocks and there are some grades that are fairly steep but the 4 did just great!
On the interstate with both trips I got 32 mpg but combined with city driving I average 27.3.
I traded a 05 Dakota with a V8 for this that averaged 16 mpg and although I dont have the power that I had with the Dakota I wouldn't want to go back.
Thats extremely impressive fuel economy. How did you find the rear seat room and trunk room?
With 6000 miles on my V6 LTZ now my fuel economy I'm averaging around 25 mpg with a 70hiway/30city mix of driving. Don't forget the V6 has the hydraulic steering assist instead of the electric steering assist which has been a source of steering problems for GM.
Yea I don't remember exactly but I think it was mainly the Aura's XR's with the hydraulic steering that had the problem. Here is a link (http://blogs.edmunds.com/roadtests/2241). Edmunds was testing it and got a clunking noise from it.
CuriousC 05-07-2008, 07:11 PM Mostly highway (~95%, 4% rural 2 lane, <1% light-to-light stuff), almost 4000 miles so far on my LTZ V6. The area around here is fairly mountainous, with many hills and one steep section of interstate on my daily drive (~5 miles long). So far I've seen economy between just over 25 and just over 30 (going higher as weather warms up, but the 25.x was when I was driving by the 'break-in' guidelines, staying off the interstates, more stop and go, less constant / cruise use, etc.). The tall sixth gear really aids the V6 to return good economy when cruising the interstate. Also note that I tend to keep to the speed limit (65 or less on my workaday trip).
Forgot to mention- I'm originally from the eastern panhandle of WV, and have made trips through the area of PA / WV to visit my folks, so I understand the road conditions you are probably talking about. The grades were probably just a bit steeper than what I see here, and I still downshift to fifth (or let the car hunt back and forth a LOT) on the local section of steep grade I see daily here in NC. I'd expect the four speed 2.4L to stay in third on the same grade, and the newer 6 speed in fifth which is a 1:1 ratio on the V6, dunno about the 2.4L tranny. I do know that the sixth is just a bit too high for the whole grade, while fifth seems to be a bit low (meaning I can pass anyone easily up the hill in fifth, or hold sixth using the manual and maybe just creep over the top at ~45mph). Where you're talking about, fifth would surely be a must, especially with passengers or cargo.
Thats even more than the sticker says the car gets, I am more worried with city mileage however. I drive to more busy areas and the fuel economy with the V6 would kill me. You think the 6 speed would improve the 4 cylinders performance even more?
CuriousC 05-07-2008, 07:14 PM I do miss my V6 in my previous car - Pontiac G6 - but I think in the long run (gas prices / milage, etc.) I'll be more than satisfied with the 4...hill driving could use a bit of an upgrade in the shifting department, but there is plenty of juice for passing and accelerating when needed on the highway and around town, etc. Let me ask the V6 owners - how do the paddle shifters rate in comparisson with traditional clutch driven systems?
That was another issue I had with the Accord, when I had to accelerate and pass I had to floor it. I am worried if it will have the pick up and go I want.
USA1fan 05-08-2008, 05:07 AM Thats even more than the sticker says the car gets, I am more worried with city mileage however. I drive to more busy areas and the fuel economy with the V6 would kill me. You think the 6 speed would improve the 4 cylinders performance even more?
Definitely. Adding two extra gears makes it much more likely that there'll be a gear that is best suited for whatever driving conditions you're in. In-town stop and go driving really kills fuel economy, and the more displacement (and / or cylinders) you have, the bigger the impact. GM's pretty good about gearing most of its cars well for highway cruising, both in terms of power and for fuel economy. FWIW, the 6 speed four cylinder in the LTZ is now rated best-in-class for overall fuel economy (highest highway, on par city ratings).
USA1fan 05-08-2008, 05:11 AM I do miss my V6 in my previous car - Pontiac G6 - but I think in the long run (gas prices / milage, etc.) I'll be more than satisfied with the 4...hill driving could use a bit of an upgrade in the shifting department, but there is plenty of juice for passing and accelerating when needed on the highway and around town, etc. Let me ask the V6 owners - how do the paddle shifters rate in comparisson with traditional clutch driven systems?
I can't really make a comparison like that. The paddle shifters are still linked to an automatic transmission, so the car WILL shift on its own if you exceed certain rpm threshholds (like the fact that it forces downshifts from sixth to fifth when speed drops past ~43 mph). Also, I find it fairly responsive, but I think I've been a bit fooled by paying attention to the indicator in the dash when I shift. It's usually so subtle as it changes that I have taken it for granted that the shift happened simultaneously with the display, but when I concentrate to try to discern the shift, it seems like there's about a 1/2 second (or less, no more) hestitation.
Still, it's quite smooth, and much better than a manual in all but the most spirited driving I've ever done. Since I've got the V6, the amount of power on tap really even makes this car seem to perform better than the best manual equipped car I've driven. I can't speak for how the gearing / power band will be matched up on the four cylinder to say whether or not the paddles will be better / worse or even very useful. I hope to hear some feedback from others about that combo once it hits a few owners' hands.
mpoczobut 05-08-2008, 06:10 AM I too can't really compare the paddle shifters to a manual transmission (because it's been so long since I have driven a manual), however compared to the programming of my CTS which had a similar electronic shift I prefer my malibu. The gears hold much longer, similar to a manual; my CTS downshifted to often for me when it knew it couldn't maintain speed. When going up steep grades, if I wasn't in manual (sport) mode, the transmission would constantly shift between 5th and 6th or 4th and 5th respectively (to balance fuel economy and power). Therefore I love being able to override this with the paddle shifters and keep the higher gear. I find that 6th gear is the perfect ratio, and I can make most steep grades without down shifting on the highway. However, when driving at slower speeds (approx 15 - 20mph) it drive me crazy since I want to be in 2nd and it frequently overrides me to 1st. 1st is quite low, and therefore I frequently start out in 2nd at stops (which the "computer" allows). I have yet to see an electronic manual programmed the same (even among GM vehicles).
Malibooboo 05-08-2008, 06:15 AM What happens when you are in manual mode and you forget to shift while accelerating? Does the transmission automatically shift when it gets to a certain rev, or does it enact a rev limiter of sorts?
mpoczobut 05-08-2008, 06:23 AM I have not redlined the engine (yet... I haven't hit 1000K miles yet), but have read that it will allow you to hit the lower end of the redline (~6800rpm) before it shifts to protect the engine.
CuriousC 05-08-2008, 11:55 AM Definitely. Adding two extra gears makes it much more likely that there'll be a gear that is best suited for whatever driving conditions you're in. In-town stop and go driving really kills fuel economy, and the more displacement (and / or cylinders) you have, the bigger the impact. GM's pretty good about gearing most of its cars well for highway cruising, both in terms of power and for fuel economy. FWIW, the 6 speed four cylinder in the LTZ is now rated best-in-class for overall fuel economy (highest highway, on par city ratings).
Yea I noticed, it gets even better highway fuel economy than my Accord. I don't drive into the city too often, mostly highway driving where I am so the V6 might work out after all.
I also wanted to ask how roomy the back seat was, especially the legroom.
Malibooboo 05-08-2008, 01:11 PM Yea I noticed, it gets even better highway fuel economy than my Accord. I don't drive into the city too often, mostly highway driving where I am so the V6 might work out after all.
I also wanted to ask how roomy the back seat was, especially the legroom.
If I get a Malibu soon, I can take it on a family trip to NH in late June. How do you think the Malibu would be for a family of four (two daughters 14 and 17) and all their luggage for a week? By default I'll take the Avalanche, but I could save a lot of money in gas if I drive a car like the Malibu. I just don't know if it is big enough for everything.
CuriousC 05-08-2008, 02:03 PM If I get a Malibu soon, I can take it on a family trip to NH in late June. How do you think the Malibu would be for a family of four (two daughters 14 and 17) and all their luggage for a week? By default I'll take the Avalanche, but I could save a lot of money in gas if I drive a car like the Malibu. I just don't know if it is big enough for everything.
If you go through it you have to tell us how it turns out. I plan on taking the Malibu on a long trip next year when I buy it. Its important to know how comfortable it will be for 3 adults and all their luggage. Also how well it will perform with all that extra weight. Especially with the 4 cylinder.
Malibooboo 05-08-2008, 07:18 PM If you go through it you have to tell us how it turns out. I plan on taking the Malibu on a long trip next year when I buy it. Its important to know how comfortable it will be for 3 adults and all their luggage. Also how well it will perform with all that extra weight. Especially with the 4 cylinder.
That's one of the reasons I'm leaning towards the 6=cylinder, although gas went up another 6 cents a gallon since yesterday. :mad:
CuriousC 05-08-2008, 07:29 PM That's one of the reasons I'm leaning towards the 6=cylinder, although gas went up another 6 cents a gallon since yesterday. :mad:
I know its a hard decision. Too bad they didn't add direct injection, might of added another 10-15 HP to the 4 cylinder engine.
BuckyFan 05-08-2008, 09:39 PM Filled the car up on Tuesday, and got right on the highway... I was at 29.5MPG when I got off 30 miles later, and I even sat for a few minutes in traffic...
CuriousC 05-08-2008, 11:05 PM Filled the car up on Tuesday, and got right on the highway... I was at 29.5MPG when I got off 30 miles later, and I even sat for a few minutes in traffic...
Impressive, do you usually get fuel economy that high?
USA1fan 05-09-2008, 05:07 AM My DIC is currently reading 31.5, and I'll be filling up this evening (expecting to best the previous-high of 30.5 this time when I manually calculate the fuel economy). BuckyFan said he got right on the highway after filling up, too. So basically, that tank so far as his post is all-highway, and is very typical of the 3.6 in my experience (toe the line on the speed limits and avoid congested traffic, and you'll break 30).
As far as the rear seat legroom is concerned, I fit fine, but I'm 5'8". My two children (6 year old boy and 12 year old girl) are comfortable back there too. I'd still recommend checking one out on the lot to see what you think though, as there have been some reviews criticizing the legroom in back.
The trunk itself is fairly roomy, but, as pointed out by others, has a somewhat shallow opening. I haven't taken the 'bu on a long weekend to visit family yet, and most likely won't now, since we just got a puppy. Looks like most future long distance trips that last more than one day will be in the Trailblazer, so I can fit his travel cage.
Malibooboo 05-09-2008, 05:48 AM As far as the rear seat legroom is concerned, I fit fine, but I'm 5'8". My two children (6 year old boy and 12 year old girl) are comfortable back there too. I'd still recommend checking one out on the lot to see what you think though, as there have been some reviews criticizing the legroom in back.
Auto reviews have said that the back seat room in the Malibu is much better than the Impala, even though the Impala is a longer car.
CuriousC 05-09-2008, 01:05 PM My DIC is currently reading 31.5, and I'll be filling up this evening (expecting to best the previous-high of 30.5 this time when I manually calculate the fuel economy). BuckyFan said he got right on the highway after filling up, too. So basically, that tank so far as his post is all-highway, and is very typical of the 3.6 in my experience (toe the line on the speed limits and avoid congested traffic, and you'll break 30).
As far as the rear seat legroom is concerned, I fit fine, but I'm 5'8". My two children (6 year old boy and 12 year old girl) are comfortable back there too. I'd still recommend checking one out on the lot to see what you think though, as there have been some reviews criticizing the legroom in back.
The trunk itself is fairly roomy, but, as pointed out by others, has a somewhat shallow opening. I haven't taken the 'bu on a long weekend to visit family yet, and most likely won't now, since we just got a puppy. Looks like most future long distance trips that last more than one day will be in the Trailblazer, so I can fit his travel cage.
30 MPG is what my Accord gets on the highway right now, so such mileage is acceptable to me. I usually do 75 MPH on the open highway with cruise control on, will the V6 Malibu be able to give me 30 MPG at this speed?
You're right, I will have to sit in the Malibu and look at judge the legroom myself. On long trips we usually only have 3 people so if I need it I can always stretch my legs across the seat when not driving.
While I am here how do you feel about the braking performance on your Malibu?
Does anyone know when Chevy will be getting 2009 Malibu's into the dealerships? I wanted to go and check them out towards the end of this year when I am getting ready to buy.
Does anyone know when Chevy will be getting 2009 Malibu's into the dealerships? I wanted to go and check them out towards the end of this year when I am getting ready to buy.
CC:
I stoped in a dealership yesterday and they asked if I would consider ordering an '09. Apparently they are ready to place actual '09 factory orders in just a few weeks. I've still got an '08 4cyl/6sp on order.
DrD
BuckyFan 05-10-2008, 01:03 PM Impressive, do you usually get fuel economy that high?
I've only had the car for 2 weeks so far :)
I'll be taking it on a 400 mile trip in June, so I'll report back more then!
BuckyFan 05-10-2008, 01:07 PM 30 MPG is what my Accord gets on the highway right now, so such mileage is acceptable to me. I usually do 75 MPH on the open highway with cruise control on, will the V6 Malibu be able to give me 30 MPG at this speed?
You're right, I will have to sit in the Malibu and look at judge the legroom myself. On long trips we usually only have 3 people so if I need it I can always stretch my legs across the seat when not driving.
While I am here how do you feel about the braking performance on your Malibu?
Does anyone know when Chevy will be getting 2009 Malibu's into the dealerships? I wanted to go and check them out towards the end of this year when I am getting ready to buy.
I'm 6'5" and backseat legroom is very tight unless I move the seats forward. I based it on moving the driver seat all the way back. When I move it 2 inches forward, so I can still drive it, in case someone was behind me, its still kind of uncomfortable for a guy my size to then go and sit in the back. The trunk is nice and large with a nice wide opening and the little cargo nets you get with the LTZ are really handy at keeping crap from bouncing around the trunk.
Braking on the Malibu feels nice and smooth. IIRC, its the best in class in 60-0mph stopping distance.
I drive with the instantaneous fuel economy on my Information Center, and it was reporting 35mpg when cruising on flat roads at 85mph a week or so ago. And that was on a car with less than 200 miles!
CuriousC 05-10-2008, 01:33 PM CC:
I stoped in a dealership yesterday and they asked if I would consider ordering an '09. Apparently they are ready to place actual '09 factory orders in just a few weeks. I've still got an '08 4cyl/6sp on order.
DrD
Thats fast. What trim did you order that with? LTZ?
I've only had the car for 2 weeks so far :)
I'll be taking it on a 400 mile trip in June, so I'll report back more then!
Look forward to hearing from your experiences.
I'm 6'5" and backseat legroom is very tight unless I move the seats forward. I based it on moving the driver seat all the way back. When I move it 2 inches forward, so I can still drive it, in case someone was behind me, its still kind of uncomfortable for a guy my size to then go and sit in the back. The trunk is nice and large with a nice wide opening and the little cargo nets you get with the LTZ are really handy at keeping crap from bouncing around the trunk.
Braking on the Malibu feels nice and smooth. IIRC, its the best in class in 60-0mph stopping distance.
I drive with the instantaneous fuel economy on my Information Center, and it was reporting 35mpg when cruising on flat roads at 85mph a week or so ago. And that was on a car with less than 200 miles!
Your a tall guy, I am only 6 feet tall. I would think if you move up the seats a few inches the room should be adequate. I am glad to hear the Malibu has a wide trunk opening, most modern sedans lack that. Braking sounds good and the fuel economy is beyond impressive.
Thats fast. What trim did you order that with? LTZ?
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Yes, I have an LTZ on order. For '08 that's the only way to get the 6sp trans.
The 4cyl/6sp/LTZ combination just recently started delivery some time in late April. Seems that the hybrids started a few weeks before that.
It looks like the 6sp trans might be available in other trim levels for the '09 models.
DrD
CuriousC 05-10-2008, 08:40 PM Yes, I have an LTZ on order. For '08 that's the only way to get the 6sp trans.
The 4cyl/6sp/LTZ combination just recently started delivery some time in late April. Seems that the hybrids started a few weeks before that.
It looks like the 6sp trans might be available in other trim levels for the '09 models.
DrD
Sounds good, the LTZ with the 4 cylinder is still electric steering right?
BuckyFan 05-10-2008, 08:50 PM Sounds good, the LTZ with the 4 cylinder is still electric steering right?
Correct.
You get the 4 cylinder engine, elecronic steering and smaller 17" wheels for $1025 cheaper.
The wheels are ugly as sin :mad:
CuriousC 05-10-2008, 08:52 PM Correct.
You get the 4 cylinder engine, elecronic steering and smaller 17" wheels for $1025 cheaper.
The wheels are ugly as sin :mad:
Lame, does GM give you the option of upgrading the rims?
BuckyFan 05-10-2008, 09:13 PM Lame, does GM give you the option of upgrading the rims?
Not as far as I know. You can buy aftermarket rims.
CuriousC 05-10-2008, 09:31 PM Not as far as I know. You can buy aftermarket rims.
Oh well, maybe next year?
USA1fan 05-12-2008, 07:45 AM GM definitely gives you the option of upgrading the rims- but the catch is that while GM sells wheels made just for these cars, they're still 'accessory' wheels, so it's not as simple as exchanging one set (for a credit) against the GM accessories. Unless of course, your dealership'll work with you. If you're really interested in the car, you could always ask. Many dealerships will do such things to get a sale.
I don't routinely do 85 on the interstate, but I cruised at 70 yesterday, and my DIC is still reading 29.9 mpg (new tank, reset AVG MPG readout beforehand). I don't have a significantly long stretch of highway without and hills around here to be able to see what it might be like on level ground, but I'm pretty happy considering the topography in this area. My car's braking is exactly like BuckyFan describes- terrific, both in the always elusive 'feel', and in performance.
CuriousC 05-12-2008, 12:34 PM GM definitely gives you the option of upgrading the rims- but the catch is that while GM sells wheels made just for these cars, they're still 'accessory' wheels, so it's not as simple as exchanging one set (for a credit) against the GM accessories. Unless of course, your dealership'll work with you. If you're really interested in the car, you could always ask. Many dealerships will do such things to get a sale.
I don't routinely do 85 on the interstate, but I cruised at 70 yesterday, and my DIC is still reading 29.9 mpg (new tank, reset AVG MPG readout beforehand). I don't have a significantly long stretch of highway without and hills around here to be able to see what it might be like on level ground, but I'm pretty happy considering the topography in this area. My car's braking is exactly like BuckyFan describes- terrific, both in the always elusive 'feel', and in performance.
I will make sure to ask, it won't hurt. If it doesn't work out not a big deal, I will learn to love the standard rims. I saw a 2 new Malibu's yesterday. One was in a parking lot, it looks great it person. It was only an LT but from the outside it looks like it cost several thousand dollars more. A little smaller than I expected but it looks roomy inside.
The guy that owned the car saw me looking at it and told me what a great car it is. He is averaging 31 MPG and says it handles hills very well. He bought it in January and sadly I forgot to ask how it handled in the snow. Anyway I still like this vehicle and its at the top of my list.
CuriousC 05-12-2008, 03:50 PM I have another concern that just came to mind. I hear the people who build the Malibu are striking, is this something I should be worried about? I am worried by time I buy the Malibu they will be backordered for several months, the dealerships will shoot the price up, or worse if I get a Malibu the factory workers will do a less than ideal job of building the car I will buy.
BuckyFan 05-14-2008, 07:01 PM There are two plants that make the Malibu. One in Kansas and one in Michigan. You should be fine!
CuriousC 05-14-2008, 07:34 PM There are two plants that make the Malibu. One in Kansas and one in Michigan. You should be fine!
Thats good, I don't want to get a lemon. I might be a Malibu owner sooner than later, my Accord is starting to make weird noises (Sounds like a ball bearing being shook up in a metal can). Might be coming from the transmission. So I might be a Malibu owner in the next few months.
Malibooboo 05-15-2008, 11:43 AM Thats good, I don't want to get a lemon. I might be a Malibu owner sooner than later, my Accord is starting to make weird noises (Sounds like a ball bearing being shook up in a metal can). Might be coming from the transmission. So I might be a Malibu owner in the next few months.
But....but....but.....I thought Hondas were infallible..... :eek:
CuriousC 05-15-2008, 04:43 PM But....but....but.....I thought Hondas were infallible..... :eek:
No absolutely not, cars are machines and they will break. My point is I expect the Malibu with proper care/maintenance to go 100k miles without ever leaving me stranded. Everything else that can go is minor in my eyes. Even with the issues I had with my Accord it still went 15 years/93,000 miles without every leaving me stuck somewhere. That’s all I want from this car and I don’t think its much to ask, do you? However, with lessons learned from the Accord I am probably going to get a warranty to cover the expensive things that can break on the Malibu during its life. Plus I want a free loaner.
While I am asking I would like to get some information on an auto loan. Is it possible with the auto loan to set the payments at $300 a month but overpay to end the loan faster?
Pizza Man 05-15-2008, 04:53 PM Is it possible with the auto loan to set the payments at $300 a month but overpay to end the loan faster?
I don't know if they still offer it, but GM offered a SmartBuy Program. A little more than a lease with a large payment to cover the remaining cost of the vehicle at the end.
CuriousC 05-15-2008, 04:57 PM I don't know if they still offer it, but GM offered a SmartBuy Program. A little more than a lease with a large payment to cover the remaining cost of the vehicle at the end.
I will have to see what the dealer says. Right now I just want to make low payments until next year then start making larger payments. I am weary about getting a lease. I plan on keeping this car for 5-7 years.
BuckyFan 05-15-2008, 08:03 PM A lease is a terrible idea. Buy the car.
CuriousC 05-16-2008, 09:27 PM I know, I don't believe in leases anyway.
No absolutely not, cars are machines and they will break. My point is I expect the Malibu with proper care/maintenance to go 100k miles without ever leaving me stranded. Everything else that can go is minor in my eyes. Even with the issues I had with my Accord it still went 15 years/93,000 miles without every leaving me stuck somewhere.
Is it possible with the auto loan to set the payments at $300 a month but overpay to end the loan faster?
CC: Some ideas:
To get initially low payments take a moderate interest rate with the longest term possible, when your ready to pay up take a home equity loan with a short term, pay off the "machine" and begin paying off the equity loan (with the tax deduction benefit). Most states do not allow pre-payoff penalties, but verify this first because a few still do.
Also, my last "machine" went >210k, it left me stranded just a few times, but that's what AAA is for, or now a days On-Star. With a new Chevy you can even get some type of GM road-side service, (check the manual). With the new Malibu's they are offering a wide range of extended coverage plans, actually too many to choose from.
With the '09s Malibu's ready to start ordering the '08s are about to become left-overs, you should be able to pull off a good deal soon.
DrD
CuriousC 05-17-2008, 12:05 AM CC: Some ideas:
To get initially low payments take a moderate interest rate with the longest term possible, when your ready to pay up take a home equity loan with a short term, pay off the "machine" and begin paying off the equity loan (with the tax deduction benefit). Most states do not allow pre-payoff penalties, but verify this first because a few still do.
Also, my last "machine" went >210k, it left me stranded just a few times, but that's what AAA is for, or now a days On-Star. With a new Chevy you can even get some type of GM road-side service, (check the manual). With the new Malibu's they are offering a wide range of extended coverage plans, actually too many to choose from.
With the '09s Malibu's ready to start ordering the '08s are about to become left-overs, you should be able to pull off a good deal soon.
DrD
Wow that sounds complex, I will remember that though. I am probably going to put a large down payment on the car. When was the first time your car went and left you stranded? If it happens after 100k miles I can forgive the car. If it happens before that I would be pissed.
I remember when I was a kid my father had a crappy Toyota Tercel and the thing crapped out on us during the vacation, the radiator fan went and costed us $1500 to fix. It left us stranded for a day and nearly ruined the vacation. After that I never wanted to deal with Toyota again. Short of negligence on my part I hope this car won't leave me stranded and possibly ruin another vacation.
Don't worry its very likely I am still buying the Malibu, its down to the Malibu or the Ford Fusion. As for when I am buying I don't know yet, depends on our Accord and how severe the problems are with it. I would buy an 09 anyway. I signed up for the college grad program and Chevy sent me a letter with more information on the car, everything I have seen before but it was nice.
When was the first time your car went and left you stranded? If it happens after 100k miles I can forgive the car. If it happens before that I would be pissed..
A few older GM models (near 2000) had problems with the gas gage float, supposidly it would get stuck in a bad position and as a result you would get a small + gauge reading even when you were really completely empty. It started some time after 100k mi. Caught me off gaurd 3 times, and twice I stalled out while turning the corner at the pump.
DrD
BuckyFan 05-17-2008, 07:29 AM Wow that sounds complex, I will remember that though. I am probably going to put a large down payment on the car. When was the first time your car went and left you stranded? If it happens after 100k miles I can forgive the car. If it happens before that I would be pissed.
I remember when I was a kid my father had a crappy Toyota Tercel and the thing crapped out on us during the vacation, the radiator fan went and costed us $1500 to fix. It left us stranded for a day and nearly ruined the vacation. After that I never wanted to deal with Toyota again. Short of negligence on my part I hope this car won't leave me stranded and possibly ruin another vacation.
Don't worry its very likely I am still buying the Malibu, its down to the Malibu or the Ford Fusion. As for when I am buying I don't know yet, depends on our Accord and how severe the problems are with it. I would buy an 09 anyway. I signed up for the college grad program and Chevy sent me a letter with more information on the car, everything I have seen before but it was nice.
Ford Fusion? Come on! The Malibu blows it right out of the water! Plus I can help get you GM supplier pricing on the Malibu which should help cushion the blow a bit :)
CuriousC 05-17-2008, 09:21 AM A few older GM models (near 2000) had problems with the gas gage float, supposidly it would get stuck in a bad position and as a result you would get a small + gauge reading even when you were really completely empty. It started some time after 100k mi. Caught me off gaurd 3 times, and twice I stalled out while turning the corner at the pump.
DrD
That’s not a big deal, you just would of needed to call someone for gas. The gas gauge on our Accord never worked right for half its life. It would usually be accurate until it got to the half way point. As it got older that wasn't even accurate so we got it fixed finally. I thought by breakdown that you have some major mechanical failure, like a bad transmission or a blown head gasket, something like that. A problem that would take several days to fix and leave you stranded in the process.
Ford Fusion? Come on! The Malibu blows it right out of the water! Plus I can help get you GM supplier pricing on the Malibu which should help cushion the blow a bit :)
I have to agree the Malibu on the inside and out looks far better than the Fusion. The only reason I still consider the Fusion is you can have it fully loaded for the same price as the Malibu and people that owned them for the past 3 years have given them glowing praises. The biggest problem most of them had was a creaking in the passenger seat.
Ever since I saw the production ready Malibu I was 99% sure that would be my next car, and as of now (Especially thanks to you guys) the Malibu is still my top choice. Now I am just waiting to see when I will buy, I am in college now but if the Accord I have has an expensive issue I might buy sooner. However my parents would be paying and I would prefer to buy the vehicle on my own since they just bought a new, more expensive vehicle last year.
Thanks for offering me the supplier discount, that is very kind of you. If I can put the college grad discount with the supplier discount I might take you up on that offer.
08MalibuLeaser 05-18-2008, 07:35 AM Well leasing may be a bad idea for some but for me it works and here's why:
My commute to work is only 7.2 miles each way. My wife owns her car and it's totally paid off. I wanted a lower car payment as opposed to buying the car and really after you drive the car for 5 to 7 years - how much does it depreciate - the residuals are not the greatest. I keep my leased vehicles in excellent shape, stay under the alloted miles, and everyone is happy.
CuriousC 05-18-2008, 11:36 AM It depends on the person, for some its fine. For me I want to actually own the car, leasing to me is like renting and I don't care for that. We are probably going to put 15k-20k miles a year on this car so a lease wouldn't work out for us even if I wanted it.
Malibooboo 05-19-2008, 04:51 PM Ford Fusion? Come on! The Malibu blows it right out of the water! Plus I can help get you GM supplier pricing on the Malibu which should help cushion the blow a bit :)
I don't dislike the Fusion, but the 3.0 engine is anemic and it is not a great performer. If you're going with a 6 cylinder, definitely go with the Malibu.
CuriousC 05-19-2008, 05:57 PM It has to have more power than a 4 cylinder.
Malibooboo 05-20-2008, 05:48 AM It has to have more power than a 4 cylinder.
True, but not by much. And the Fusion is not going to get the same MPG as the 4 cylinder Malibu. So you're essentially getting 4 cylinder performance and 6 cylinder MPG.
CuriousC 05-20-2008, 09:31 AM True, but not by much. And the Fusion is not going to get the same MPG as the 4 cylinder Malibu. So you're essentially getting 4 cylinder performance and 6 cylinder MPG.
Unbelievable, it has 52 more HP how can that be?
Malibooboo 05-20-2008, 09:53 AM Unbelievable, it has 52 more HP how can that be?
From Edmunds review:
I only have two complaints about the Fusion: It needs more power and a better shifter. The 221-horse V6 is fine for highway cruising, but an SVT version with a lightweight V8 (à la Taurus SHO) would be most welcome. Even the recently announced 3.5-liter global V6 would be an improvement. I'd also like to see a shifter with more than just "Drive" and "Low" as forward gear options. How about specific gates for 1st, 2nd, "Drive," and "Top Gear"?
In acceleration trials, the Fusion still lagged behind the pack, with an 8-second 0-60 time and a 15.8-second quarter-mile run. In a recent comparison test, a V6-powered Accord and Camry both ran 0-60 in about 7.5 seconds.
CuriousC 05-20-2008, 09:57 AM From Edmunds review:
I only have two complaints about the Fusion: It needs more power and a better shifter. The 221-horse V6 is fine for highway cruising, but an SVT version with a lightweight V8 (à la Taurus SHO) would be most welcome. Even the recently announced 3.5-liter global V6 would be an improvement. I'd also like to see a shifter with more than just "Drive" and "Low" as forward gear options. How about specific gates for 1st, 2nd, "Drive," and "Top Gear"?
In acceleration trials, the Fusion still lagged behind the pack, with an 8-second 0-60 time and a 15.8-second quarter-mile run. In a recent comparison test, a V6-powered Accord and Camry both ran 0-60 in about 7.5 seconds.
I believe you, but I can't believe it has only slightly more power than the Malibu 4 cylinder.
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