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I have a 98 Malibu LS 3.1V6, the car will not idle when in park or nuetral. The rpms consistently jump from 500rpm to 1100rpm back and forth and will sometimes completely stall out.

Also, only when the car is cool, it is somewhat hard to start. It only wants to start if I tap the throttle. Then, once started it runs very rough, like a severe misfire. But once I rev the motor up, it clears out. It does not do this if the car is warmed up.

If the car is in gear, it will idle just fine. And the car seems to run and drive normal going down the road. No actual misfires.

The check engine light is on. It is showing codes P0300 (multiple misfire) and P0401 (EGR flow insufficient). The plugs and wires look good, I have switched out the coil pack with a known good one, and put a new EGR valve on. No changes.

I dunno what to do next, I am suspecting the catalytic converter. Seems to have a foul smell from the exhaust, and a puff of blue smoke at cold startup leads me to believe possible worn valve seals may have caused failure of the cat.

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Also I have checked for any vaccum leaks and cant seem to find any. The intake manifold has all new gaskets as I just did that repair, but the car was acting in this same way before that repair. I did find a small port on the plenum nearest the power steering pump, to be capped off...I dont know if there is something that is supposed to go there?
 

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The PCM expects the engine RPM to drop when it enables the EGR flow. P0401 probably just means it didn't see enough drop or even a rise in RPM. That's not surprising when the air-fuel ratio is constantly fluctuating (sounds like it). You either have a vacuum leak or something that simulates one. Have to tried unhooking the MAF sensor? Also, does the ECT sensor reading in the scan tool look reasonable?
 

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I unhooked the MAF and that seemed to help out with the idle, steadys out at ~650rpm. But seems to cough and miss at idle in gear. Somewhat easier to start. And unfortunately I dont own a scan tool, I just had them run the codes at Autozone...
 

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Okay, that kind of indicates that the MAF sensor is out of calibration which can cause the kind of wild swings you're seeing. In the absence of the MAF input, the PCM goes by predefined parameters and thus things settled down. I'd try a new MAF sensor and check the air filter.
 

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Okay so I installed a brand new MAF sensor today, and threw in a new air filter while I was at it. This seemed to allow the car to start easier, but the fluctuating idle, foul exhaust, and ses light are still existant. Not sure what to do next. For now I am going to return the new MAF, and get a vaccum gauge to check vaccum at the intake manifold.
 

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Sorry to hear it wasn't it. Still, it wouldn't hurt to try some MAF cleaner spray on the old MAF sensor. Also, if you don't have some, get a can of TB cleaner to spray into gaps and mating surfaces while looking for leaks. A decent OBD scanner is probably good to add to the toolbox.
 

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I'll get some MAF cleaner spray, and some carb cleaner to check for leaks. A good scanner is definitely on my list, just waiting for the funds.

Erg...I just checked fuel pressure. Key on engine off it jumps to ~36psi. With car running at idle, pressure is only ~31psi. Hopefully it's just the fuel filter...
 

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The fuel pressure should be at least 41-47 psi. Going even lower with engine on is not good. You may want to pull the vacuum hose from the fuel pressure regulator and make sure there's no fuel leak.
 

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Alright, so this morning I changed the fuel filter. That didnt do anything, fuel pressure was still 31 at idle. So with the car running, I disconnected the vaccum hose at the fuel pressure regulator, and fuel is coming out of the regulator, at the same time, the fuel pressure jumps up to 40psi. Does this mean my regulator is bad?
 

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No, I should be the one thanking you. I was sure you had an air/vacuum leak (which affects the engine idle the most).:eek: I'm sure a lot of folks will benefit from your experience.
 

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Unfortunately I am still getting code P0401 (EGR Flow Insufficient).

And also the ABS light comes on randomly. Seems like right before it comes on, I can feel the drivers front brake stop grabbing for a moment... here are the ABS codes I got:

C1226
C1225
C1222
C1221
C1236
C1233
C1252
C1293
C1291
 

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Oh, man, that's brutal (just when I was feeling good).:( P0401 is tough to figure out since these EGR valves aren't vacuum-controlled. The PCM monitors the pintle valve via the feedback circuit. You may want to trace the EGR circuit wires on the following PCM wiring diagrams:

http://cid-54465800aad91b49.office.live.com/self.aspx/pub/va129823.pdf
http://cid-54465800aad91b49.office.live.com/self.aspx/pub/va129825.pdf
http://cid-54465800aad91b49.office.live.com/self.aspx/pub/va129876.pdf

Check them for continuity and make sure there's no significant resistance. If they check out, maybe there's blockage in the EGR passages.
 

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