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For those that haven't heard yet, GM is going to drop all Hybrids,
 

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Not terribly surprising. The problem with hybrids is at the end of the day what you're buying is a needlessly complicated gasoline-powered car that is lucky if the next generation basic transportation doesn't render it obsolete. And good luck when it breaks down. No offense to hybrid owners.

My wife's 2017 cruze hatchback gets 40+ mpg highway every time without slumming it in the slow lane or using hypermiling techniques. This is a car that starts at under $20,000 and can now be bought used for mid-teens. Next gen compacts--far from the penalty boxes of yore--are looking at 45+ mpg, outclassing many currently sold hybrids in the eyes of highway commuters.

Electric is a truly different type of vehicle. I personally think the environmentalist standpoint is dubious at best and the repair issue remains, but in 10 years you're still filling it up with cheap electricity in your driveway/garage when your neighbor's gasoline car costs $3, $4, $5 per gallon. Electric cars also naturally tend to have good torque and acceleration whereas a lot of hybrids (especially Toyotas) come with a significant penalty in performance.
 

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I don't think the margins were good enough for the lower sale volume either. I think the MH is a good value from a consumer standpoint - the MH seemed decently reliable and the driving experience is pleasant. It is just the gap has been narrowing and resulting in lower sales. As cp said, the little 1.4 and 1.5 Turbos can easily get over 40 on the highway. When I take my 1.5T on a longer highway trip and set the cruise to 75mph it always cruises along 40-42 average. The big hangup for me on electric is the range - I don't want a car that is limited to short local/regional trips. If I want to drive 600 miles away I don't want to charge for a ridiculous duration and turn it into a 3 day trip. Not to mention worrying if there will be a supercharger station where I am going. Then there is the oil drilling/refinery powered car vs car running on fracking and coal (maybe 10% windfarm). I dunno, time will tell.

Edit - I also changed the title from hybird to hybrid.
 

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There are drawbacks to electric cars for sure, range being the Achilles heel. I'm personally not going to eschew buying an electric car in favor of a hybrid car over range anxiety, I'll just get an affordable non-hybrid option and laugh all the way to the bank.
 

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For those that haven't heard yet, GM is going to drop all Hybrids,
While I love my MH, I can't get out of my mind "when will it break"? That's true of any car, but I think about it more in an EV or Hybrid. EVs have fewer moving parts, but keeping all those batteries working along with the power electronics to drive the motors can be a challenge. I loved my gen1 Volts, but see niggling issues on the forums for the Gen2 and somewhat on Gen1 (but most forums bring out the bad). At times I think I'd just like a simple engine/powertrain, preferably not a turbo, to run for years with less worry about failure. My sister just bought a 2020 Corolla with a 1.8 engine. While it should be reliable and more refined than the previous model, I've been spoiled by driving the Volt and MH. It's hard to accept an ICE only car. I love going down hills knowing I'm recharging the battery. That's the geek in me talking. I also wonder if there is enough lithium/cobalt on the planet to supply the majority of the population with batteries for EVs....not to mention power grid issues. But those technologies can change for the better. I still wish GM had put the Volt's battery pack in the MH. But they didn't ask me.
 

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While I love my MH, I can't get out of my mind "when will it break"? That's true of any car, but I think about it more in an EV or Hybrid. EVs have fewer moving parts, but keeping all those batteries working along with the power electronics to drive the motors can be a challenge. I loved my gen1 Volts, but see niggling issues on the forums for the Gen2 and somewhat on Gen1 (but most forums bring out the bad). At times I think I'd just like a simple engine/powertrain, preferably not a turbo, to run for years with less worry about failure. My sister just bought a 2020 Corolla with a 1.8 engine. While it should be reliable and more refined than the previous model, I've been spoiled by driving the Volt and MH. It's hard to accept an ICE only car. I love going down hills knowing I'm recharging the battery. That's the geek in me talking. I also wonder if there is enough lithium/cobalt on the planet to supply the majority of the population with batteries for EVs....not to mention power grid issues. But those technologies can change for the better. I still wish GM had put the Volt's battery pack in the MH. But they didn't ask me.
First gen Volt owners are some of the most satisfied car buyers I've ever met. GM really hit a homerun with that car and it's a crying shame that the consumer market is so biased against American cars that they'd rather buy a Prius 10 to 1 despite it driving like an absolute dog and looking about as ugly as a car can get. I partially blame the liars writing for Consumer Reports who have been incredibly dishonest and inconsistent in their reliability reports to favor Japanese imports.
 

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Consumers aren't really buying the Prius anymore either. The sales have really bottomed out the last couple years from their peak in 2012. And yeah, that is one ugly, ugly, ugly car. I never understood why the engineers felt these electric or hybrid cars must be ugly or at least strange looking. The MH actually has/had decent looks and passenger volume. I also see GM has now removed the Hybrid from the 2020 builder system and 2020 ordering guide so I updated the sticky in the general section.
 

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First gen Volt owners are some of the most satisfied car buyers I've ever met. GM really hit a homerun with that car and it's a crying shame that the consumer market is so biased against American cars that they'd rather buy a Prius 10 to 1 despite it driving like an absolute dog and looking about as ugly as a car can get. I partially blame the liars writing for Consumer Reports who have been incredibly dishonest and inconsistent in their reliability reports to favor Japanese imports.
I test drove a Prius in 2012 before buying a Volt. Not impressed in the least. One drive of the Volt and I knew I had to have it. I know what you mean about Consumer Reports. I just read their review of the 2019 Malibu. They had a lot of good things to say, but gave it a low 50 something total score. Glue a Toyota emblem on the car and they would probably rave about it.

I still wonder if I should buy one of the remaining 2019 Volts on the lots. But the comfort of the Malibu is hard to give up even though the Volt might be a little more fun to drive. Or maybe I should wait a few years to see what GM comes up with in a few years.
 

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I test drove a Prius in 2012 before buying a Volt. Not impressed in the least. One drive of the Volt and I knew I had to have it. I know what you mean about Consumer Reports. I just read their review of the 2019 Malibu. They had a lot of good things to say, but gave it a low 50 something total score. Glue a Toyota emblem on the car and they would probably rave about it.

I still wonder if I should buy one of the remaining 2019 Volts on the lots. But the comfort of the Malibu is hard to give up even though the Volt might be a little more fun to drive. Or maybe I should wait a few years to see what GM comes up with in a few years.
If you can find a good deal and you like electric cars, you should strongly consider one of the remaining Volts. They should have worked out the reliability kinks at this point in production and with GM giving up on many of its sedan models, the next electric car will likely be a crossover several years from now. Then you'll have to wait for the reliability teething process all over again.

But if you really like your Malibu hybrid, maybe it's better to drive the wheels off it.
 

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If you can find a good deal and you like electric cars, you should strongly consider one of the remaining Volts. They should have worked out the reliability kinks at this point in production and with GM giving up on many of its sedan models, the next electric car will likely be a crossover several years from now. Then you'll have to wait for the reliability teething process all over again.

But if you really like your Malibu hybrid, maybe it's better to drive the wheels off it.
Good advice! I think I at least owe myself another test drive in the Volt to see how it feels compared to the Malibu.
 

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Good advice! I think I at least owe myself another test drive in the Volt to see how it feels compared to the Malibu.
Make sure someone drives you and you sit in the middle rear seat of that Volt. Drive the snot outta that wonderful Malibu Hybrid! It's rare and you have already accomplished a magical feat - obtaining one.
 

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Make sure someone drives you and you sit in the middle rear seat of that Volt. Drive the snot outta that wonderful Malibu Hybrid! It's rare and you have already accomplished a magical feat - obtaining one.
My wife has spent an entire afternoon in the middle rear seat of our '17 Volt while the other four of us (all at least 6') were in the rest of the seats. Was it cramped in there? All the larger folks would say yeah, a little, but my 5'4" wife said she was just fine back there. Since she and I are usually the only two in the car, it's very comfortable for us. It's lifetime fuel economy is just north of 1200mpg. There is not now, nor will there ever be, an air-breathing car that can achieve what the Volt has achieved. Shame on GM for never explaining to the general public exactly what the Volt is and can do. Thanks to GM's ineptitude, nearly everyone who has heard of the Volt thinks its just a Prius knock-off.



There have been a lot of comments on here about how several cars are good for highway fuel economy well into the 40s, so woe be the poor old MH. The thing is, most cars spend most of their lives off-highway. Unlike most cars, the vast majority of my '17 MH's 52k+ miles have been highway miles, yet its lifetime fuel economy average is 43.1 mpg. These much touted economy cars with their wonder-turbos might well achieve that much and a bit more...on the highway. But let's talk about how well they do when they're not on the highway, and the quality-of-life penalty that they exact in order to achieve those great highway figures. Most of my MH's around-town use returns mileage in the very high 40s to low/mid 50s. That's most of the around-town stuff. I have also seen many round trips around town in the upper 50s. Whether the MH, or any other hybrid/EV, for that matter, pays off or not will depend largely upon its type of use. I consciously went against my analysis of my own usage and purchased the MH specifically for mostly-highway use, because it's a roomy, 5-adult-comfortable, nice handling, good riding, great looking car with (I already knew from my Gen2 Volt ownership) a drive train of nearly-unmatched refinement. How many of these positive attributes can truthfully be claimed for the other cars mentioned here?
 

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Hey @Dr. Manhattan!

Glad to read your MH and Volt are still running. I hadn't seen you in a while and figured your lease ran out as most MH owners have disappeared. Keep em going as long as you can! I don't really agree with many of your opinions or assessments (especially GM being inept) but you are certainly allowed to express them.

Enjoy!
 

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Hey @Dr. Manhattan!

Glad to read your MH and Volt are still running. I hadn't seen you in a while and figured your lease ran out as most MH owners have disappeared. Keep em going as long as you can! I don't really agree with many of your opinions or assessments (especially GM being inept) but you are certainly allowed to express them.

Enjoy!
I haven't been around much because we've been busy with the purchase/remodeling of a second home that's located out of state...which, oddly, has tied in with some of our Malibu Hybrid adventures. In fact, if our MH hadn't broken down when it did on one of our trips to Georgia, we would not have found our new home. So thanks, GM (I think...)!

Gosh...thanks ever so much for allowing me to express my opinions! :rolleyes: Yes, we do seem to disagree from time to time, but so what! One of the reasons we have forums is so that we can exchange different/conflicting ideas and hash things out in a civilized manor. I do hope we can continue to do so.

Personal opinion alert: I borrowed money to buy my first new car when I was 19, but I haven't done so since, and I don't lease, either. If I can't afford to buy a car, then I don't buy it. The idea of paying interest just scalds me, but that's JMO. Obviously, YMMV. We own both cars outright and, liking them both as much as we do, we fully intend to drive them into the ground.

As you so graciously intimated, I unfairly used the all-encompassing "GM", when I should have specified "GM marketing". They have historically, and more than occasionally, come up with some really confusing marketing strategies. The only thing that could explain their attitude toward/neglect of both the Volt and the MH is that they never wanted to sell a lot of them in the first place. I can't think of another explanation for their marketing strategies for these two vehicles...
 

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Hey @Dr. Manhattan!

Glad to read your MH and Volt are still running. I hadn't seen you in a while and figured your lease ran out as most MH owners have disappeared. Keep em going as long as you can! I don't really agree with many of your opinions or assessments (especially GM being inept) but you are certainly allowed to express them.

Enjoy!
We didn't disappear! I still check in here once in a while. I suppose you noticed that the board is mostly dead since the redesign. It just doesn't flow right, and I think a lot of people just gave up.
I still have my 17 MH, but towing it behind my motorhome this summer has made me consider replacing it. It's a bit of a dilemna. Our other car is a Bolt, so it's not practical as a toad. It is a royal PITA to load a low profile car onto a car dolly, so I've made some alterations to the dolly to hopefully make it easier. I took the little air dam off the Malibu to make it easier to connect safety chains. I put different chains on the dolly, relocated the trailer wheel I added to it, and lengthened a notch in a cross member, which the car was bottoming out on. The sub frame on the MH seems a little wider than the cars the trailer was designed for. I'll see how it tows on our next trip. The poor car is like a kite tail on the back of the MH, which is amplified by the fact that the hitch on the MH is almost 11' from the rear axle. The car gets an E-ticket ride, and I don't want to beat the crap out of it towing, hence the modifications and adjustments to my driving:unsure:
I'm really trying to make the MH work, but the whole experience has made me long for a tow vehicle that can be flat towed. I have always wanted a Jeep, and they are about the only brand left that can be flat towed with manufacturer approval, but I love my MH! I just can't wrap my head around pouring gas into a car that I use for daily driving. I havn't budgeted another car, and the Malibu is paid for. I love the way the car handles and drives. It's relatively stiff suspension keeps it flat in corners, and gives it better wind resistance than the competition. It's quite often a windy, gusty drive along the coast here, and softly sprung vehicles just get blown around.
It's a shame, but if you want a larger hybrid vehicle, Toyota products are your only choice right now.
 

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Just saw this thread. Too bad the hybrid is dead. I originally bashed hybrid cars because of the piece of crap Prius. Like my MH but wish they’d put a 16 or 18 KwH battery in the car for longer EV only driving. Loved the Gen1 volt except for the tiny 2+2 configuration.

Ahh well , maybe I’ll just get a 90s Lexus and enjoy if the malibu ever dies.


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It's a shame, but if you want a larger hybrid vehicle, Toyota products are your only choice right now.
Friends don't let friends drive Toyotas.:)

I have my MH and will keep it long-term. The one thing that I wish my '17 was equipped with is active noise cancellation. Not that my car is loud, but it's seeing an awful lot of long highway trips, and every little bit of quiet helps.
 

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Your car should have the active noise reduction. I have the same car. I had to disconnect the ANR, however, when I put a sub woofer in it. I notice tire noise a little more, but not much.
 

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I was going to sell my 2017 MH when the price of gas hit it’s typical 5 year cycle high of 5.00$ a gallon. That event hasn’t happened but that’s ok. I love this car. A recent trip to Missouri from Boston area yielded an average mpg 46. It could have been much higher if not for the tailgating 18 wheeler’s driving 80 in construction zones. I have averaged a high 25 miles sample of 73 mpg and over 60 12 times and over 50 miles sample over 60mpg 5 times. I rarely drive below the posted speed limit and typically drive 70-75 mph highway. Oddly enough I got my best performance with gearshift set on automatic. The car eats up mountain roads. I love the instant torque when needed and I don’t plan on getting the car timed at the local dragstrip because that’s not what this car is. The only thing I don’t care for is night driving headlights which isn’t a problem with the automatic high beam option. 52k miles and the tires are still solid and the brakes look almost new, fuel tank range between 500 and 700 plus miles. I bought the service package for the car and they replaced a communications module when car had 10k. It went into limp along mode on my way in to shop for my second oil change.
 

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I was going to sell my 2017 MH when the price of gas hit it’s typical 5 year cycle high of 5.00$ a gallon. That event hasn’t happened but that’s ok. I love this car. A recent trip to Missouri from Boston area yielded an average mpg 46. It could have been much higher if not for the tailgating 18 wheeler’s driving 80 in construction zones. I have averaged a high 25 miles sample of 73 mpg and over 60 12 times and over 50 miles sample over 60mpg 5 times. I rarely drive below the posted speed limit and typically drive 70-75 mph highway. Oddly enough I got my best performance with gearshift set on automatic. The car eats up mountain roads. I love the instant torque when needed and I don’t plan on getting the car timed at the local dragstrip because that’s not what this car is. The only thing I don’t care for is night driving headlights which isn’t a problem with the automatic high beam option. 52k miles and the tires are still solid and the brakes look almost new, fuel tank range between 500 and 700 plus miles. I bought the service package for the car and they replaced a communications module when car had 10k. It went into limp along mode on my way in to shop for my second oil change.
You don't realize how nice the Malibu is until you drive something else. I test drove a 2020 Toyota RAV4 hybrid last week just out of curiosity. The ride wasn't anything special nor was the powertrain. Hard to tell in one drive, but it didn't seem as refined and quiet as the Malibu. I know you can't expect a car like ride in a crossover, but the public seems to be willing to endure that trade-off. I wanted to try a Camry hybrid, but they didn't have any on the lot. They let me drive the Avalon Hybrid. Much nicer experience than the RAV4, but it's like maneuvering a yacht. Got back in the Malibu and left happy with what I have.
 
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