[E_Net_Rider]

I was going to discuss this in my previous post but it was getting long.
Roads were wet and I wanted to test traction so I stepped on it. Surprise!
Wheels spun and bounced like wheel hop. AND it took a full second for the traction control message and warning symbol to come on. At this time I let off on it, without any detection of power being cut. That is one of the things that is supposed to happen when TC is initiated.
And the amount of time, what the hell is that about? I can react far quicker! The point of electronic is that it is supposed to react quicker than the driver.

On a 96 Olds that had these features, the warning would happen the moment traction was lost as well as power cut back.
On one occasion, during heavy down pour, in a curve, cruise engaged, I hydroplaned, and the vehicle to my front side threw so much water I could not see through the windshield.
Before I could respond the cruise was disengaged and the TC had taken over and I finished the curve without incident, to my surprise. I'm sure this vehicle will not do that.
Did GM test this vehicle at all?

 

[tabeytabe]

Works perfectly in mine... Got it's first test a couple days ago.
Maybe something is wrong with yours?

 

[bballr4567]

Traction control only cuts in when the CPU determines that the car needs it to. Going from a dead stop and spinning the wheels isnt dangerous to the cars operation.

Now, if you were going around a turn and the rear end starts to slide out the ABS and TCS will activate on the individual wheels and get the car back under control.


BTW, STOP COMPARING TO A BEAT UP POS! The 96 Olds was designed over 20 years ago. The amount of safety equipment is far greater and far better.

 

[E_Net_Rider]

Traction control only cuts in when the CPU determines that the car needs it to. Going from a dead stop and spinning the wheels isnt dangerous to the cars operation.

Programming might be different on this point. I shall have to look into that.

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Now, if you were going around a turn and the rear end starts to slide out the ABS and TCS will activate on the individual wheels and get the car back under control.
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Oh really. Thanks for pointing out a time that it should have worked and did not.

BTW, STOP COMPARING TO A BEAT UP POS! The 96 Olds was designed over 20 years ago. The amount of safety equipment is far greater and far better.[/QUOTE]

We'd have better automobiles today if GM had not decided to kill Olds. The reason they deemed Olds less profitable is because they spent far more money on R&D than other divisions except Cadillac which is a vehicle unto its own except when they were hard pressed to use a Chevy platform. Every one of those Caddy's were POS. All other divisions benefitted from Olds R&D.
The Aurora was a from the ground up Olds although it used a Cadillac engine. (Buick used the body for a 2 door Rivierra but different power train) The Aurora also came in an Autobahn version that could easily do 160 MPH and be well composed at that speed. The biggest difference between it and the regular was the speed rating of tires, same size. Most of the features available on that vehicle have trickled into Chevy high end vehicles. The one thing missing would be side impact air bags. Those who still have that car love them dearly despite sometimes expensive repairs and fuel cost. About 2 years ago they made a change to the engine, still used by Cadillac and Buick Lucerne, so that it no longer requires premium fuel which was about $0.35/gallon more at the peak of prices.
If I can find a '99 in good shape, the last year they made what is called the "Classic body", I'll buy it.

 

[engineer25]

You sure do have a lot of stories about near death experiences. Maybe you're just a bad driver.

 

[Silver LTZ]

The traction control is supposted to allow some wheel spin. It will vary depending on direction and surface.

 

[BillD64]

The traction control does more than cut power. It can also apply the brake on the slipping wheel to keep things under control. It depends on the data fed back from the wheel speed and other sensors how the car will react. At low speeds the preference may be for brake application Vs cutting power. In a number of situations like driving up a steep snow covered driveway cutting power would stop the car when it shouldn't be stopped. At higher speeds the preference may be for cutting power as the system can react quicker that way.

Bill

 

[E_Net_Rider]

The traction control does more than cut power. It can also apply the brake on the slipping wheel to keep things under control. It depends on the data fed back from the wheel speed and other sensors how the car will react. At low speeds the preference may be for brake application Vs cutting power. In a number of situations like driving up a steep snow covered driveway cutting power would stop the car when it shouldn't be stopped. At higher speeds the preference may be for cutting power as the system can react quicker that way.

Bill

I suspected and hoped what you have said is correct.
But then bballr is wrong, quote, "Traction control only cuts in when the CPU determines that the car needs it to. Going from a dead stop and spinning the wheels isnt dangerous to the cars operation. "

However, there are numerous stories of my wife's KIA Rondo doing just that and then being stuck at stops because braking is not applied to the spinning wheel. Seems to be a very lame system to me. The stability control also only cuts power on that vehicle.

 

[E_Net_Rider]

You sure do have a lot of stories about near death experiences. Maybe you're just a bad driver.

With such logic I have to wonder what you engineer, BS?
I have had too many experiences. The ones I've driven my way out of and those that have had to pay me. I've gotten rid of more than one car over safety concerns. One was a 73 Mazda RX2 and the only complaint I would have had about it is a little too much lean in curves and that gas mileage sucked. Also it seemed to be a target for bad drivers. The first crunch occured with it sitting in a parking lot. The second sitting at a yield sign, I was rear ended. The third, I was taking a poisoned dog to vet and woman pulled out from stop sign nailing me in the side. The fourth, at night around 8, very little traffic, at light I'm on inside lane and big well-drilling truck is on my right. I prepare to make left turn at cut through about third of mile from light, no turn lane, and as I slow, CRUNCH! Considering time of night and looking back at my naiive days when I thought everyone was as good a driver as me, I suspect the idiot stopped at tiddy bar on way home and was drinking. There was no logical reason for him to change lanes and he certainly should have seen those big round brake lights and directional. I became parnoid in that vehicle, four hits and several misses was good reason.

 

[bballr4567]

The car takes into effect a lot of factors. Speed being one of them. Going 0 MPH and spinning the wheels is not a dangerous condition as the CAR sees it. Going 30 MPH and spinning the wheels is far more dangerous.

Again, the system is a driver AIDE. It is not to replace the driver input and if you can feel the wheels spinning then stop. If you can feel the car sliding, steer into it. You really need to get out and get the feel of your new car. Push it to the limits and learn where they are. No matter how much driving experience you still have to learn your car as they are all different.

 

[E_Net_Rider]

Going 0 MPH and spinning the wheels is not a dangerous condition as the CAR sees it. Going 30 MPH and spinning the wheels is far more dangerous.

Perhaps this car and it could be helpful if GM posted more details as to how reacts.
Previous vehicle would cut back power if spinning from dead stop. I'm don't remember what GM called that feature on that vehicle.
You've obviously never seen a vehicle on an icy grade and when it starts out the tires spin and it slides sideways into another vehicle or into oncoming traffic.
It almost seems like there is too much hype about TCS and ESC. That is if you are a really good driver it may not do much for you. For the bad driver it could do a lot except the one thing it should, get them off the road.