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Which Octane Do You Use?

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I have a 4 cyl, A6 2010 LTZ with less than 5000 miles on it. I just pumped some Shell 89 octane in it today. Thought I'd give it a try to see if I can tell any difference in MPG or performance. What do you folks like?
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1-If the ECM is retarding timing, you are losing power. I was told by a two techs that the car will run a little more timing with 89 and higher. If I recall it says this in the manual too. For the $3 a tank I will toss it in....I'm not gonna cheap out on $3.

2-High octane does not "leave deposits that will raise compression", that is a old myth....and 100% not true. High octane if anything, leaves LESS deposits then regular.
I think my manual suggests 89 under certain circumstances such as maybe towing.
As to high octane deposits, we no longer use lead. I had a 68 Mustang 302 Hi-Performance. At about 3000 miles the performance would start falling off. If you did not change them by 5000 miles it would start to miss. Typical high test fuels in that day were 98 or higher octane. Clark brand was 100+ and there were higher octane readily available. All that lead would start to short out insulator.

Alcohol will get less MPG, but properly tuned the engine should also put out higher power. I did not know you could buy pure gasoline anymore. Alcohol is also used to raise octane as well as lower emissions. What compounding is done to raise octane above 87 might have a number of solutions. At one time it was claimed it started at the distillation process resulting in a more pure product. But an easy solution would also be to add more propane. More propane is also mixed for winter gasoline to make starting easier because it vaporizes easily at low temperatures. 40 years ago, farm tractors often had a propane option. The down side was in the handling and less horsepower. Propane delivery companies usually ran their trucks with propane and in a day when everyone changed oil at 3000 miles, they ran much farther. Oil with 6000 miles looked like it just came from container. Far less polutants using propane, less maintenance, and far cheaper fuel because it had no road taxes.
87 octane also burns faster than higher octanes and part of the reason you can get spark knock. Also power tools, lawn mowers, etc. will stress using 87 only. In those lower compression engines the faster burn provides easier starting.
To sum up, higher octane fuel in your Malibu might have slightly less mileage but might also add to engine life because of the gentler burn and slightly less polutant making it to the oil. Higher compression adds to the efficiency but if your engine is being retarded because of knock it will lower efficiency. Knock is always bad.
But with the latest generation of engines, direct injection, everything might change. Part of how they improve efficiency is to raise compression substantially. I saw where one of these claimed the compression was over 11. With fuel directly injected and carefully controlled rate they seem to have overcome an old pollution concern. To lower NOX emissions, compressions often dropped below 9 and the EGR gas was necessary to slow the burn. If the computer is able to automatically adjust you should get better mileage and power from high octane in one of these newer direct injection.
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I think my manual suggests 89 under certain circumstances such as maybe towing.
As to high octane deposits, we no longer use lead. I had a 68 Mustang 302 Hi-Performance. At about 3000 miles the performance would start falling off. If you did not change them by 5000 miles it would start to miss. Typical high test fuels in that day were 98 or higher octane. Clark brand was 100+ and there were higher octane readily available. All that lead would start to short out insulator.

Alcohol will get less MPG, but properly tuned the engine should also put out higher power. I did not know you could buy pure gasoline anymore. Alcohol is also used to raise octane as well as lower emissions. What compounding is done to raise octane above 87 might have a number of solutions. At one time it was claimed it started at the distillation process resulting in a more pure product. But an easy solution would also be to add more propane. More propane is also mixed for winter gasoline to make starting easier because it vaporizes easily at low temperatures. 40 years ago, farm tractors often had a propane option. The down side was in the handling and less horsepower. Propane delivery companies usually ran their trucks with propane and in a day when everyone changed oil at 3000 miles, they ran much farther. Oil with 6000 miles looked like it just came from container. Far less polutants using propane, less maintenance, and far cheaper fuel because it had no road taxes.
87 octane also burns faster than higher octanes and part of the reason you can get spark knock. Also power tools, lawn mowers, etc. will stress using 87 only. In those lower compression engines the faster burn provides easier starting.
To sum up, higher octane fuel in your Malibu might have slightly less mileage but might also add to engine life because of the gentler burn and slightly less polutant making it to the oil. Higher compression adds to the efficiency but if your engine is being retarded because of knock it will lower efficiency. Knock is always bad.
But with the latest generation of engines, direct injection, everything might change. Part of how they improve efficiency is to raise compression substantially. I saw where one of these claimed the compression was over 11. With fuel directly injected and carefully controlled rate they seem to have overcome an old pollution concern. To lower NOX emissions, compressions often dropped below 9 and the EGR gas was necessary to slow the burn. If the computer is able to automatically adjust you should get better mileage and power from high octane in one of these newer direct injection.
You made alot of valid points. Good post. But higher octane if anything should give you slightly better mpg's, especially if you were getting any knock or ping.
E net you are close. 87 does not burn faster but it merely spontaneously ignites faster IF the motor is a high compression motor. Thus, itll ignite before the motor needs it to and cause knocking.

In general, higher octane doesnt provide more energy and so on, it merely is a deterrent for early combustion.

The octane rating of gasoline tells you how much the fuel can be compressed before it spontaneously ignites. When gas ignites by compression rather than because of the spark from the spark plug, it causes knocking in the engine. Knocking can damage an engine, so it is not something you want to have happening. Lower-octane gas (like "regular" 87-octane gasoline) can handle the least amount of compression before igniting.
Basically, ANY car will benefit from higher octane fuel IF the car is tuned for it. If its not, there is no reason to do it.

As many L99 owners are finding out in their Camaro's they have two octane tables in their PCM. Many are saying that their cars feel slow and its because the dealer put in 87 fuel during their post delivery inspection and make the car use the lower octane tables. To fix it they have to pull a few fuses that reset the memory in the PCM and the car will use the higher octane tables. Its given a few of them over 20HP on the dyno just by using the proper octane.
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E net you are close. 87 does not burn faster but it merely spontaneously ignites faster IF the motor is a high compression motor. Thus, itll ignite before the motor needs it to and cause knocking.

In general, higher octane doesnt provide more energy and so on, it merely is a deterrent for early combustion.



Basically, ANY car will benefit from higher octane fuel IF the car is tuned for it. If its not, there is no reason to do it.

As many L99 owners are finding out in their Camaro's they have two octane tables in their PCM. Many are saying that their cars feel slow and its because the dealer put in 87 fuel during their post delivery inspection and make the car use the lower octane tables. To fix it they have to pull a few fuses that reset the memory in the PCM and the car will use the higher octane tables. Its given a few of them over 20HP on the dyno just by using the proper octane.
As I have said before MANY, new GM cars use the multiple tables. The 3.6 included. Even w/o pulling any fuses the ECM will relearn and swap tables. So much easier then the "old" days....
As I have said before MANY, new GM cars use the multiple tables. The 3.6 included. Even w/o pulling any fuses the ECM will relearn and swap tables. So much easier then the "old" days....
Apparently with the new PCM on the Camaro you HAVE to pull the fuses so it literally kills all juice to the PCM so it will reset to the high octane tables. If you dont it doesnt ever reset to the high tables. One guy had like 6k miles on his L99 and it still was using the low tables.
Apparently with the new PCM on the Camaro you HAVE to pull the fuses so it literally kills all juice to the PCM so it will reset to the high octane tables. If you dont it doesnt ever reset to the high tables. One guy had like 6k miles on his L99 and it still was using the low tables.
Humm, that sounds odd. I haven't read that on any of the Camaro boards. Hell my older '00 Camaro will swap tables on it's own if need be. But I have it all tuned via HP Tuners now anyway....

That makes no sense to me because if you run premium then toss in regular it better swap to a different table asap to stop ping and knock. I never heard of having to pull a fuse to have it do this....
Thats the problem. It goes DOWN but it will not go back up no matter how long the owner has put in 93. GM has put out a TSB for it when an owner complains that the car is a dog.
You made alot of valid points. Good post. But higher octane if anything should give you slightly better mpg's, especially if you were getting any knock or ping.
True if getting ping or knock. But then I would say that the knock sensor circuitry is a little weak. A really good circuit should stop it before it becomes audible to the driver. And with such a circuit your biggest sign would be weak performance. Detonation because of hot spots would also retard timing but unfortunately that would not make it go away. Higher octane should.
My post may have suggested that you will get poorer mileage and less power from blends using more propane, such as winter blends. It is easy to make that logical jump because that would be the effect of pure propane, but there may be a synergistic effect going on and I'm not a chemical engineer specializing in fuels.
Burn faster was a poor choice of wording I'd guess. Those engines that stress use 87 only have fixed timing. And I know they are harder starting with higher octane, especially the rope pull ones:) And they seem to have slightly less power. Especially noted on 20hp lawn mower, but then it might be only a perception since it also seems to run quieter.
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