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poncho167 said:
2026 will be the new redesigned model. It is rumored to be a hybrid or at least offer it.
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There are rumors of some sort of sedan model, more than one "source" claims a 4-door Camaro EV performance model in in the pipeline, not terribly unlike Ford's bastardized Mustang Mach-E crossover thing. I desperately hope the name isn't true.

If they go Dodge's route with a new RWD/AWD model that offers both a gas option and an EV option, that could be interesting. Especially if it's branded as a Chevelle or Impala with good design.

I'm not getting my hopes up, because GM has totally disenchanted me as a brand-loyal enthusiast. I may have ended up with a Blazer in my personal fleet, but it wasn't out of any sense of loyalty like the Cruze partly was.
 
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The Buick Envista is such a nice looking car in person but then you remember they picked that 1.2 i3 like a cheap Ford Fiesta. Same powertrain in the new Trax which again looks so much better externally but... maybe they will turn out to be reliable engines. Who knows.

Loyalty and proximity to dealer is how I ended up with a Malibu. Ironically I rarely use the dealer anymore as I got more hands on and the dealer became less friendly and inconsistently professional. My father-in-law is a retired 40 year Flint/Warren shop guy so I try to keep one in the driveway. There is still a lot of good in these cars - ergonomics, build quality is pretty good. If you think about all the tech in gen7 then increasing a little each gen (for better or worse), it is remarkable how much works and how rarely we read of issues with certain systems. My Malibu is staring down 170,000 and there is absolutely nothing broken on it and engine sounds and performs great. Sometimes I stand in the garage staring at that vacuum pump though.
 
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Yes-Envista & Trax are very good looking & I’d say the same about the whole Chevy line up. IF (big if) we start drilling again GM will probably make some vehicles that old fans like us just might want.
 
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BDCMalibu said:
With GM falling back in love with hybrids, I wouldn't be surprised if the Malibu is moving back that direction sometime in the future.
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Yes, especially since this electric car flop and the government being pressured to reverse course with their plans to fine automakers who don't comply. Ford lost over 3 billion last year in their electric venture. Toyota's president said they will accept the fine and continue with hybrids or possibly other powered sources. The profits off of alternatives will offset any fines dished out.
 
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Ron Paul said:
GM announced yesterday, the 2024 Malibu will be the last of this model, as they are switching to more EV cars starting November 2024.

Does this mean our cars will be collectible classics? :cool:

To me a big mistake. EVs will become passe, when hydrogen powered cars arrive.

Oh well....

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Yes, the last of this model until the 2026 redesign as mentioned above. Dealers were notified last month of the new model, and the name Malibu will continue on.
 
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campb292 said:
The Buick Envista is such a nice looking car in person but then you remember they picked that 1.2 i3 like a cheap Ford Fiesta. Same powertrain in the new Trax which again looks so much better externally but... maybe they will turn out to be reliable engines. Who knows.

Loyalty and proximity to dealer is how I ended up with a Malibu. Ironically I rarely use the dealer anymore as I got more hands on and the dealer became less friendly and inconsistently professional. My father-in-law is a retired 40 year Flint/Warren shop guy so I try to keep one in the driveway. There is still a lot of good in these cars - ergonomics, build quality is pretty good. If you think about all the tech in gen7 then increasing a little each gen (for better or worse), it is remarkable how much works and how rarely we read of issues with certain systems. My Malibu is staring down 170,000 and there is absolutely nothing broken on it and engine sounds and performs great. Sometimes I stand in the garage staring at that vacuum pump though.
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Three-cylinder engines have been around for quite a while now. At least 10-years in North America. I personally don't quite feel comfortable, and it took me a while to accept a four-cylinder engine in a midsized car. If I were in the market for another cross-over I would go with and take a chance on the three in the Envista.
 
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poncho167 said:
Three-cylinder engines have been around for quite a while now. At least 10-years in North America. I personally don't quite feel comfortable, and it took me a while to accept a four-cylinder engine in a midsized car. If I were in the market for another cross-over I would go with and take a chance on the three in the Envista.
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I believe he is referring to the new 1.2T and 1.3T engines being unknown entities as far as long term reliability, not that a 3-cylinder engine is a new concept. I totally agree with his sentiment that the engine is absurd in that application.

Personally, I find Buick's new brand-wide front end design to be hideous, but as a luxury car it should at least have the power of the 1.5T from the Equinox and Terrain with 170 horsepower and 203 lb-ft of torque. 3-cylinder engines are decidedly un-luxurious.

My wife's 7-year-old Cruze hatchback has the 1.4T GDI 4-cylinder with 153 hp/177 tq. It's rated 29/38 mpg. The Chevy Trax and the Buick Envista have 137 hp/162 tq. They are both rated 28/32 mpg and are significantly slower than the Cruze in performance tests. They weigh about 100 lbs more and have 15% more interior space/cargo room. Seems like a pretty horrendous tradeoff in engine choice to me.
 
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They tuned the 1.5T LSD in the 23-24 Equinox/Terrain and soon 2025 Equinox up to 175hp. GM is so confident in that engine they made it the launch engine in the next gen high volume Equinox. The 203 wide torque curve keeps it drivable. I still don't understand why GM continued with the Malibu's 1.5 LFV at 163 / 184 when they could have just unified 1.5T production.

As for those i3, they shrunk those 1.2/1.3 down so much they even lose the fuel economy benefit of a small motor. They got so small it struggles.
 
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The new Malibu has 163 hp.

I agree with the shrinking down. Because of the engine has to pull more weight it diminishes the mpg somewhat. If it had a larger engine such as a 1.8L or 2.0L it would likely get the same or better mileage because the potential hp increase would not be as much struggle to get moving. People who put 5.3L V8 engines in Chevy S10 pickups achieve mpg in the 20 range, which is comparable to the previous V6 offering. I suspect that the small 3 cylinder offering is to cut costs in manufacturing.
 
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Marketing drives the industry. The demand for sedans has been dwindling for years, folks want SUV type vehicles AKA station wagon capacity since everything has downsized. No more big sedans with giant trunks like the old days. With downsizing the cargo capacity in sedans has really dwindled. That's why I think one vehicle families go the SUV route.
IMO only sedans now will soon be hybrid or electric and most of them are second vehicles, providing you have parking with charging availability on the pluggable or fully E ones.
Look at Lincoln, they have no sedans anymore, just SUV's, who would have thought Lincoln would abandon sedans. Caddy may be next.
 
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repairman54 said:
Marketing drives the industry. The demand for sedans has been dwindling for years, folks want SUV type vehicles AKA station wagon capacity since everything has downsized. No more big sedans with giant trunks like the old days. With downsizing the cargo capacity in sedans has really dwindled. That's why I think one vehicle families go the SUV route.
IMO only sedans now will soon be hybrid or electric and most of them are second vehicles, providing you have parking with charging availability on the pluggable or fully E ones.
Look at Lincoln, they have no sedans anymore, just SUV's, who would have thought Lincoln would abandon sedans. Caddy may be next.
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Yeah, the CT4 and CT5 are probably done in 2 years. To my knowledge, GM is barely marketing those cars at all. Not sure why they wouldn't want to generate interest with an ad campaign displaying their performance prowess, maybe something taking a jab at the more soulless German luxury sedans.
 
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repairman54 said:
Marketing drives the industry. The demand for sedans has been dwindling for years, folks want SUV type vehicles AKA station wagon capacity since everything has downsized. No more big sedans with giant trunks like the old days. With downsizing the cargo capacity in sedans has really dwindled. That's why I think one vehicle families go the SUV route.
IMO only sedans now will soon be hybrid or electric and most of them are second vehicles, providing you have parking with charging availability on the pluggable or fully E ones.
Look at Lincoln, they have no sedans anymore, just SUV's, who would have thought Lincoln would abandon sedans. Caddy may be next.
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cp-the-nerd said:
Yeah, the CT4 and CT5 are probably done in 2 years. To my knowledge, GM is barely marketing those cars at all. Not sure why they wouldn't want to generate interest with an ad campaign displaying their performance prowess, maybe something taking a jab at the more soulless German luxury sedans.
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As long as these Globalists assert their power to force this trend towards EV’s and frame fossil fuels as “evil” there’s no incentive to produce expensive vehicles with combustion engines. At least this is how I see it.
 
#36 ·
I moved this discussion to Auto Industry/General Motors News and renamed it "End of Malibu production and future speculation". I have also closed the somewhat parallel "10th Generation Malibu may be in the works (2025)!" discussion as both have similar topics relating to product production and rumors of a next generation.

In the spirit of rumors, gmauthority is reporting (LINK) production of the 2025 Malibu (final year of gen9) will begin July 10 rather than the prior reported May 31. The order guide for the 2025 Malibu can be read HERE. Glancing through the order guide, the only listed change I have found is new color "Night Shade Metallic". I wonder if they make the 2025 fleet only. I notice they don't have anything in the pressroom or in the build sites.

New 2025 Malibu Order Guide date June 7 2024 just released. I attached it to this message.
 

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Electricity comes mostly from carbon fuels. So how are EVs "green"? It's just lipstick for those who don't look paste the pictures.
 
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jmz768 said:
40% of the electricity in the USA is generated by renewable sources or nuclear and that number just keeps on growing. Meanwhile, coal is down to 16%.
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Yep, "mostly" means more than half. So by the numbers you're sharing, 60% comes from non-renewable sources, aka carbon-based.

Nuclear is not "green" by any stretch of the imagination, but it's not carbon-based, so it has been adopted to prop up the "family" of renewable numbers. It would not surprise me that one day, they think they've killed all carbon-based electricity generation, they'll cast nuclear to the side, look down their noses at it, no longer support it, and disown it from their "family".
 
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